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Game changer Emulsifying Vegetable Glycerin and BHO for E-Juice

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Whoop, whoop, lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu!!!!!!!!!1  Hee, hee, hee, snicker, snark, snort, don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

 

Those of ya'll who've tried to blend BHO and Vegetable Glycerin to make e-juice, know it doesn't readily happen and you are limited in the potency levels that you can reach extracting with glycerin as the menstruum. 

 

You are limited even adding a surfactant like lethicin, to promote absorption, so that market hasn't taken off as readily as it might if it delivered a more potent hit.

 

At the suggestion of CAT Scientific, whom has supplied Skunk Pharm Research with equipment for testing, we tried their X-120 Homogenizer with a T-17 (N) generator shaft assembly, to see if they would not only blend, but stay blended.

 

For that experiment, we heated 250 ml of VG to 66C/150F in a 500 ml beaker, and added 6 grams of green BHO, which I've saved for several years as an example of too many washes using an open tube.  Before investing any amounts of prime oil, best to see what it does with bad example show and tell samples.

 

250 ml is about the minimum that can be processed with the T-17 (N)  generator, as it is high precision and relies on the liquid as its lubricant.  CAT S, not only published that caveat in their supplied "destruction manual", but passed it on to us in an e-mail to make sure we read the manual before firing up the homogenizer.

 

They also provide the caveat that homogenizers don't like vortexes, for the same reason, so it can't be used in the center of the container, only around the center.  That seemed fair enough, so we followed those simple instructions in the test.

 

Wowza!  It made about one minutes work of fully emulsifying the BHO and VG, producing an light green opaque solution, which hasn't observably changed in 60 hours of standing, so we will be moving on to seeing just how much BHO we can mix with 250 ml of VG.

 

We will run it up to 50% BHO, in the next trial, but will start with a fresh sample so that we can field test it on patients afterwards.  At CAT's suggestion, we will use a T-17 (V) generator shaft assembly, because the viscosity will be much higher.

 

I've also started dialog with an associate who is an e-juice manufacturer, whom has a market for the end product, so can test on a much larger scale.  We donate our meds, but over half a liter of e-juice would far exceed current demand, while demand for the same BHO in cancer meds continues to be strong.

 

You heard it here folks, this device is a game changer in the e-juice market!!! 

 

While on the spendy side for ma and pa, they could produce more e-juice in about a minute, than they would likely need in a year anyway.  It is however, easily in the price range for small groups, and chump change for someone producing e-juice for the market place.  In fact, for those in the market, CAT makes much larger machines than the hand held unit that we are testing.

 

Contact information for this sweetheart is http://www.catscientific.com/ and bon appetite!

 

Here is a picture of the X-120, as well as the T-17 (N) generator, as well as the 250 ml emulsion that we created three days ago:

 

GW

 

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DOH! Just when I thought Mad scientists couldnt get any cooler, Game changer indeed brother! Greywolf, I always appreciate you sharing your knowledge here man, most superb...


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That's amazing!! Wonder how it would work with my eGo set up..protank 2, protank 3 and several evods..all on 1300mah ego twist batteries


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Because the solution will separate if you heat it up, it is best in a system that doesn't rely on a tank of liquid with a heating element running through it.

 

Unfortunately I loaned my portable vapor pipe to the guy furnishing the 24 grams of oil for the last experiment, so he could use his 63 grams of vaporizer juice, and forgot to write down the name of it, but I will get that and report back.

 

It has a bottle for the liquid, which you heat with a cigar lighter or torch, and it produces large hits, closer to what you would get from a hot nail

 

Reports back from the ongoing testers are that it is too heavy in the middle of the day, because some were firmly nailed to the couch, but we didn't talk dosage, so I don't know their tolerance or how many hits they had.

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thank you so much Graywolf for the heads up.   Still very intriguing and would be well worth some extra supplies to use :) ..   Can't wait to hear more on this :)


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@Graywolf; Did you ever come across the name of that vaporizer? I'm having a hard time picturing that from your discription. Also is there a reason you went straight VG instead of a PG/VG mix? Thanks the original post, very insightful and fun!

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@Graywolf; Did you ever come across the name of that vaporizer? I'm having a hard time picturing that from your discription. Also is there a reason you went straight VG instead of a PG/VG mix? Thanks the original post, very insightful and fun!

It is called an Essential Vaaapp by Essential Herbal Technologies.

 

We went straight VG to show that it could be done and for those folks who don't like the idea of PG.

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Thanks! My prior attempts with PG and VG included a sous vide and lots of shaking but never seemed to homogenize completely. Sometimes it would hold for a few minutes and then often in the tank would melt together after 20-50 hits. I am excited to try this method !

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Specialized Formulations has an CAT Scientific homogenizer, so if you are in the Portland area, suggest you discuss your application with Carla and arrange for a show and tell.  

Joe also has one at Oregon Medical Growers, and he might be available for consultation and show and tell. 

 

Sorry I didn't buy one for myself, as I don't do extracting and formulating for hire and my lab/shop is already overflowing. 

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If anyone wants to give me a job, I extract and have the cat homogenizer for blending concentrates into ejuice.

id be willing to fly across country and formulate for hire.

what id really love to find is a career :)

Until then, I'll just keep researching, experimenting and sharing!

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