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Since I hadn't heard anything from the pound, I called today. The manager is out sick until Monday. I called the vet that the pound contracts with and after explaining what was going, I was told I should get a call by Monday. So hoping I get that call on Monday and we can go through this vet.


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2 hours ago, Purple Power said:

Since I hadn't heard anything from the pound, I called today. The manager is out sick until Monday. I called the vet that the pound contracts with and after explaining what was going, I was told I should get a call by Monday. So hoping I get that call on Monday and we can go through this vet.

 

good deal, Thanks for updating us. 

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I took Chloe to 1st vet this morning. He wants to hear what the specialists says. He did mention if multiple vets recommend Chloe going to the specialist, the pound may be forced to. Some good news is her right front leg moves good.

 

While I was gone her ramp came. I already have worked with her going on it at first laying flat in the house to going in/out of the back of my SUV. She was afraid of it at first, but didn't take long for her to be on it.

 

I called the pound and talked to the manager who was out sick most of last week. I asked if she had heard from their vet about Chloe's elbow. She had not heard from them. She forgot and thanked me for reminding her. She told me she's call them and let me know. I let her know that I'll be busy around 1:30 today for a consultation so I know what are our options.

 

meanwhile Chloe and kittens are out in the house. Chloe has her leash on just in case, but so far is doing well with sniffing kittens around her hind corners. Midnight just woke Chloe by tickling her chest. Chloe jump spooking Midnight who jumped behind me. I Chloe leave it, she did so I said good girl


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6 minutes ago, Purple Power said:

I took Chloe to 1st vet this morning. He wants to hear what the specialists says. He did mention if multiple vets recommend Chloe going to the specialist, the pound may be forced to. Some good news is her right front leg moves good.

 

While I was gone her ramp came. I already have worked with her going on it at first laying flat in the house to going in/out of the back of my SUV. She was afraid of it at first, but didn't take long for her to be on it.

 

I called the pound and talked to the manager who was out sick most of last week. I asked if she had heard from their vet about Chloe's elbow. She had not heard from them. She forgot and thanked me for reminding her. She told me she's call them and let me know. I let her know that I'll be busy around 1:30 today for a consultation so I know what are our options.

 

meanwhile Chloe and kittens are out in the house. Chloe has her leash on just in case, but so far is doing well with sniffing kittens around her hind corners.

 

 

Thanks for the update. This made my day, Talk to you later this afternoon. 

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Just got back from the specialist. Below is the estimate. The low end would have to paid once Chloe is there for surgery. There are 2 options for surgery. Option one is to screw the bone and let it heal. He was for this option more since she's a large breed and they tend to do better with option 1 vs option 2 which is to remove the bone.) Either way there will be some lameness and arthritis. It's just the degrees, but no matter what surgery has to be done. he wants her cut down on her food to 3 1/2 cups a day vs her normal  4. later they will be sending me Chloe's report so I can send it to whoever needs it          

 

 

 

 

 

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I got Chloe's medical report last night. I called the pound to get the e-mail needed. She didn't seem interested but gave it. I told her it may help her vet figure out if she could do the surgery.  She also said the vet is not in today. I think she's starting to get the idea that I'm not going away until this is resolved.

 

 

 

 

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Im glad they are leaning towards repair instead of removal. Seems they plainly say removable is fine with the smaller dogs but not so with larger. I hope this gets attention soon so you can continue with your training. 

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Yesterday, I got a call from the pound's vet clinic. I'm kinda amazed the pound told them of the deal of paying 50/50 since they didn't give the vet clinic the diagnoses, a copy of the medical report, and they were unsure who took the x-rays or where to get it. I told them. I was away from from home, so didn't have my stuff to tell them what the report said over the phone. The vet that would be looking at this information isn't in the office until next Weds cause of the holidays. I also let them know, I wanted to know if they could do the surgery and how much would that cost.


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The pound told me what their vet said in an e-mail. I've removed all names

 

"I finally heard back from Dr. <name> at <vet hospital> . She still hadn’t received the x-ray from All Creatures, but did read through the <specialist> report you provided. Based on what she read, she understands that this is a case of elbow dysplasia (similar to hip dysplasia), where the ulna didn’t fuse properly with the other bone in the elbow, so it’s not attached. Because this is a situation where the bone didn’t develop properly and is not a simple break of an existing properly formed bone, Dr. <name>is not comfortable doing the surgery and believes it needs to be done by an orthopedic surgeon. She also mentioned the possibility that additional surgeries might also be needed, once the area is stabilized after the first surgery. Dr. <name> would only be willing to remove the fragment from the elbow area, but doesn’t believe that would solve the problem.

 

So, it looks like you are faced with the expensive surgery at <specialist>, which is too much for us to help with. If nothing is done, Dr. <name> expects the leg will get worse over time. Had we known what we know now about what is causing her lameness, we would not have put her up for adoption, so I am sorry to have put you are in this position now.

 

You can always return her to us either now or after he leg worsens and we will provide you an exchange certificate for another dog. However, I know that would be difficult to do. You are welcome to call me, if you would like to discuss this further. I will be in the office all day tomorrow (Monday) and then out on Tuesday for the holiday. "

 

 

 

I know returning Chloe to the pound is a death sentence.  I'll be asking if they are willing to pay 1/2 of what their vet would charged


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I asked the pound through e-mail what their vet would charge for this surgery and would you being willing to pay 1/2 of that? below is the pound's response.

 

Their vet would like me make an appointment with her to talk directly about surgical options for Chloe. She would like you to either bring the x-ray from my vet (I called this morning and my vet already sent them this morning) or she is willing to take another x-ray of Chloe’s elbow, since she doesn’t have the x-ray from my vet. She can then provide the estimate to you directly.

 She and I have agreed that any treatment costs will be billed to the Animal Shelter at our rate and then you can reimburse the Shelter half the cost.

 Does that sound OK?

 

I made an appointment for tomorrow and asked if this would be free. Personally, I think it should be free since this vet didn't fully check Chloe. I'm hoping this vet learned to check any limp very closely now since the person who adopted the pet in question may be a true animal lover and will do everything possible to save their pet's life as well as the best outcome for  pain free and happy life. I was told, I had to call the pound to see. I sent an e-mail asking the pound if this appointment would be free. I got a response quickly saying,

 

You wouldn’t have to pay for it. Any cost will be charged to the Shelter. "

 

I don't think the pound understood my question fully. Since their vet would remove the bone vs putting a screw, I don't want them to do the surgery. The specialist said large breeds like Chloe do better with the screw option whereas small breeds do better with the bone being removed. 

 

Later today, I need to call the free animal doctor, so they can get the info they need to put up her fundraiser on their site. Once they do, I will post the link. All the money this site makes goes directly to the vet that does the treatment

 


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3 hours ago, Purple Power said:

She and I have agreed that any treatment costs will be billed to the Animal Shelter at our rate and then you can reimburse the Shelter half the cost.

 

This is sounding more promising. 

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I took my son with me to the pound's vet. She agreed with me that Chloe needs the screw, and not removing the bone. She was saying cause of age whereas I was saying the specialist said large breeds do better with the screw option. She said this type of surgery they'd referee to the specialist, and they can't do it.

 

 

I got a call from the pound and she said the exact opposite leading to major confusion. She said their vet would bring in another vet to do the surgery and would cost 1800 total, 900 to me. This was never mentioned while at the vet. I think she was trying to trick me to get them off of the hook. The pound said, she may be confused and call the vet again. So after that call, I called the vet to give my email, so they could send the estimates directly to me, and told the receptionist to tell the doctor I spoke to to know what the pound said.


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The pound called today saying the same thing. I told when I was there she never said that hence why I'm a bit confused. She said she could email me the estimate, I agreed and asked if I could talk to the vet since I want to make sure this is the same surgery. She told me I could, but she's out of the office today. Here's that email with the attached (page 2 of 2 is all I got from the pound)

 

Attached is the estimate for Chloe’s surgery that Dr. <name> at <vet>l sent me. This is the same surgery to insert a screw in the elbow that the  Specialty Center recommended. I had asked Dr. <name> to give us the Shelter rate, which is normally half of what a regular client would pay, which is why the cost is considerably lower. This estimate also includes having, Dr. <name>, a veterinarian with more orthopedic experience, assisting her. He is the former owner of <this vet> Animal Hospital and still practices when needed.

If you decide to have the surgery done at <vet> please let me know so that I can let Dr. <name> know. She would prefer that you work through me, since this surgery will be billed to the Animal Shelter. As we discussed earlier, I would expect you to reimburse the Shelter half of what we are billed, which should be about $450.

 

I called the pound's vet and she's not in until Weds. I left a message for her to call me back. I then called the specialist  to see if I could talk to the doctor I spoke to when I took Chloe there for the consultation. He'll be in on Monday. I sent them a copy of the estimate, so he could see it and explain it to me.

 

 

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Chloe's 1st Christmas

 

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Chloe's bed for her crate came. She trying it out after watching Midnight & Moon play on it for almost a hour

 

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The day after Chloe's crate came. It's  48" long

 

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The specialist called, the surgery the pound's vet would do base off of the estimate is to remove the fragment of bone, not put in the screw. The pound's vet should call me Weds, so I can talk to her.


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I didn't read all of this.  I'm sick and my head is exploding.  Seems to me the pound is totally negligent and should be paying for everything.  But 1/2 is better than nothing.

Hope all have a Happy New Year especially Chloe!!

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9 hours ago, Suzycrmcheese said:

I didn't read all of this.  I'm sick and my head is exploding. 

 

Sorry that you're not feeling well, and I hope you get/feel better soon

 

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Seems to me the pound is totally negligent and should be paying for everything.  But 1/2 is better than nothing.

Hope all have a Happy New Year especially Chloe!!


I fully agree. I think they should pay 100% of the bill too. The pound's vet didn't do there job checking Chloe out fully. To call a limp 'growing pains' and not check it out with a x-ray to confirm it was wrong. My 2nd dog was a large breed prone to dyspepsia, and he did limp here and there from growing pains as a pup. The thing was he didn't limp for long with his growth spurts. Chloe got worse over time. My 2nd dog had great joints most of his life. Only one injury in his Sr years to his back knee that got the surgery, some tender loving care in the house has he healed then he was back out guarding his lady hens. 

 

Chloe barely limps on her hind legs, yet they took a x-ray to check them. Chloe was knocked out to have 3 teeth removed when they took the x-ray of her hips. It wouldn't of taken long to take another of her limping front right leg. Chloe was lucky they were neglectful in this since the pound would have put her down asap if they had known. Offering me a certificate for a new dog after returning Chloe was a bit insulting since this is a death sentence to a good pup. I think pound was hoping I was like most people seeing an expensive problem from a new pet and return her without batting an eye. Instead they slowly learned Chloe has master that is an animal lover who will do whatever I can to help her live a full conformable life. I and my son had already sunk hundreds of dollars into Chloe before we learned that she has elbow dyspepsia (UAP). Some of these were on sale: Food ($55/bag), bowls, leash, crate (81), cover for crate (24), beds, ramp (84), training (300), vet bills, DNA test (155) tags, etc not to mention the bonding between pets, myself and my son. Besides all of that, the bottom line Chloe is a life, an innocent life. She didn't ask to be born. I wish I knew who the breeder was, so they get the breeding pair checked or at least don't breed them again. I'm sure most of Chloe's litter-mates have these problems too and either have been put down or about to be.

 

Chloe is on 1 pain pill a day and spends most of her time in her crate (my vet's orders). When she's out of the crate, she's on a leash to go out to do her business then back in the crate. She hates it and cries/whines. I hate it too, but understand why she has to do this. It's to prevent the UAP from getting worse. I hope I can get this resolved soon. Chloe needs to get the right type of surgery done, heal, and get on with her life starting with basic training class. I know we'll both be happier when Chloe doesn't have to stay in her crate all the time.

 


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I've been calling and waiting all day to the pound's vet. 1st couple, the doctor was in surgery, then talking to a patient. their office closed about 10 minutes ago and I didn't get a call from their doctor like they kept saying


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On 1/1/2019 at 10:00 AM, Purple Power said:

 

Sorry that you're not feeling well, and I hope you get/feel better soon

 


I fully agree. I think they should pay 100% of the bill too. The pound's vet didn't do there job checking Chloe out fully. To call a limp 'growing pains' and not check it out with a x-ray to confirm it was wrong. My 2nd dog was a large breed prone to dyspepsia, and he did limp here and there from growing pains as a pup. The thing was he didn't limp for long with his growth spurts. Chloe got worse over time. My 2nd dog had great joints most of his life. Only one injury in his Sr years to his back knee that got the surgery, some tender loving care in the house has he healed then he was back out guarding his lady hens. 

 

Chloe barely limps on her hind legs, yet they took a x-ray to check them. Chloe was knocked out to have 3 teeth removed when they took the x-ray of her hips. It wouldn't of taken long to take another of her limping front right leg. Chloe was lucky they were neglectful in this since the pound would have put her down asap if they had known. Offering me a certificate for a new dog after returning Chloe was a bit insulting since this is a death sentence to a good pup. I think pound was hoping I was like most people seeing an expensive problem from a new pet and return her without batting an eye. Instead they slowly learned Chloe has master that is an animal lover who will do whatever I can to help her live a full conformable life. I and my son had already sunk hundreds of dollars into Chloe before we learned that she has elbow dyspepsia (UAP). Some of these were on sale: Food ($55/bag), bowls, leash, crate (81), cover for crate (24), beds, ramp (84), training (300), vet bills, DNA test (155) tags, etc not to mention the bonding between pets, myself and my son. Besides all of that, the bottom line Chloe is a life, an innocent life. She didn't ask to be born. I wish I knew who the breeder was, so they get the breeding pair checked or at least don't breed them again. I'm sure most of Chloe's litter-mates have these problems too and either have been put down or about to be.

 

Chloe is on 1 pain pill a day and spends most of her time in her crate (my vet's orders). When she's out of the crate, she's on a leash to go out to do her business then back in the crate. She hates it and cries/whines. I hate it too, but understand why she has to do this. It's to prevent the UAP from getting worse. I hope I can get this resolved soon. Chloe needs to get the right type of surgery done, heal, and get on with her life starting with basic training class. I know we'll both be happier when Chloe doesn't have to stay in her crate all the time.

 

 

 

 

thank you.  I'm on the mend, although I literally had a shitty day yesterday.  Better today!  Them telling you to replace

Chloe is like saying, there's something wrong with your son, here take this one as a replacement...grrr.  They know they are in the wrong and just trying to cover their asses.  Got any lawyers in the family?  I have an appt. tomorrow with a local animal shelter which is no kill.  They have a fostering program where I would take kittens and older dogs and cats waiting for adoption.  They supply and pay for everything.  Finances are one reason I haven't replaced my Border Collie.  Of course, my main worry is becoming too attached, but I'm looking for a purpose in life...a way to pay it forward...we'll see.  Hope the vet calls you back...I think they are afraid of your tenacity.  Good Luck!!

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I talked to the pound's vet today. They'd bring in another vet to do the surgery and put in a screw, so I'm considering this option. I did sent e-mail to the pound a few questions and still waiting for response. For my half of the $906.00, would there be a payment plan or paid at once? I've been talking to a charity called Free Animal Doctor to help me with the funds for Chloe. They want it in writing. Another question is recovery/after care for Chloe. Would the pound be helping with those cost too? Stitches being removed, x-ray 8-weeks after to make sure Chloe has healed right.

 

I'll probably call tomorrow.

 

 

I got Chloe's DNA test results today from Embark

 

38.1% American Pit Bull

 

13.7% American Bulldog

 

9.9% Bulldog

 

8.8% Akita

 

8.3% American Staffordshire Terrier

 

4.8% Australian Cattle dog

 

4.0% German Shepherd

 

12.4% super mutt which is Chow Chow, Doberman Pinscher, and English Setter

 

 

Embark also tested for 172 genetic diseases that we have cracked the codes for. Chloe has only 1 thing to keep our eyes on

 

Alanine Aminotranferase Activity: Low Normal

Low Normal
Test result

Chloe has two copies of a mutation associated with reduced ALT activity. Please inform your veterinarian that Chloe has this genotype, as ALT is often used as an indicator of liver health and Chloe is likely to have a lower than average resting ALT activity. As such, an increase in Chloe’s ALT activity could be evidence of liver damage, even if it is within normal limits by standard ALT reference ranges.

Alanine Aminotransferase Activity
(GPT)
Condition
GPT
Gene name
AA
Genotype
codominant
Inheritance type

Description

This result helps your vet understand what your dog's baseline ALT activity is. The enzyme alanine aminotransferase, or ALT, is commonly used to evaluate liver health. Dogs with one or more copies of the "A" allele are likely to have a lower baseline ALT activity ("low normal") than dogs with zero copies of the "A" allele ("normal"). This means that you and your vet might adjust what you consider your dog's baseline ALT levels to be, and consider deviations from this as "abnormal." Please note that this mutation should never increase your dog's ALT activity. If your dog has high ALT activity, please consult your veterinarian.

 

 

 

Embarks results were a lot different from the wisdom DNA test

 

37.5% American Staffordshire Terrier

 

12.5% American Bulldog

 

12.5% Australian Cattle dog

 

12.5% Bullmastiff

 

25% breed group: guard, asian


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She sounds and looks like the perfect dog. You fix her and she'll give her life for you. 

Do you need to pay the charity back?

 

My call...The pound can pay their half first then the charity should be allowed payments. 

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I got a call from the pound with bad and good news. Their vet showed the vet they were planning to bring in to do the surgery and he's unconformable to do it. He said the specialist should do the surgery. The cheaper option of surgery is now off of the table. I ask the pound we were going to split the cost of the 906, would she she be willing to put the 453 towards the specialist. She said she'd put $500 towards it and send me an e-mail so its documented. I'll be call Free Animal doctor to let them know shortly


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23 minutes ago, Purple Power said:

I got a call from the pound with bad and good news. Their vet showed the vet they were planning to bring in to do the surgery and he's unconformable to do it. He said the specialist should do the surgery. The cheaper option of surgery is now off of the table. I ask the pound we were going to split the cost of the 906, would she she be willing to put the 453 towards the specialist. She said she'd put $500 towards it and send me an e-mail so its documented. I'll be call Free Animal doctor to let them know shortly

 

Yeah, perhaps though it is better the specialist does it. 

Standing by, 

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let the specialist do it if you can, imo


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